Interesting Political Discussion Today

So I went to visit a couple of friends today in their business. I was reduced to three things within this discussion. 1. I am irrevocably biased by my atheism. 2. My “leadership quality” of expecting people to question authority is expecting too much. 3. Because I am a Progressive I am more prone to “media religion/politics truthing” Meaning I believe whatever the “Liberal Secular” media tells me. Which insults my intelligence and completely contradicts the idea that I have any leadership qualities. Lets call my friends Thomas, Caleb and Nate.

That was hard to take, Caleb and Thomas are fairly close friends of mine. Caleb is nearly family and I hold his opinion in a really high regard. He’s the big brother and friend I’ve always wanted and I wish we were closer. Nate is relatively new friend who seems to me is a nice guy, however he does hold thinly veiled amused contempt for my atheism and always makes a joke or a comment at the expense of said atheism. He is catholic, and he feels that he is more evolved than the other christians secs. Simply, catholics are the first and true christians. His words not mine.

This is a huge reason why I refuse to come out publicly with my atheism at this point in my life. I cannot handle the constant need to put me down, which I do not make quips against religion simply because he is around. It’s usually brought up in a manner such as, “Well, you wouldn’t agree with this because it is a church thing and you’re an atheist.” Haha and now the joke or whatever comes next is always on me and they do expect me to defend myself and my point of view merely because it is in opposition to theirs. Although I dearly love Caleb and Thomas, who are a couple, they have never noticed or even defended the fact when the discussion turns serious I’m the only “Liberal” Atheist in the room and therefore it’s okay to bombard me with reason after reason why I’m wrong or questions where I have to defend my beliefs and my questions on their are always vaguely answered (save Caleb who is extremely articulate about such things)

Now as I was constantly on the defensive I can’t give you a lot of specifics on the conversation. When I gave an example yes it was a conservative example. They compared Bill Clinton and Monica to Reverend Long molesting boys and since I didn’t think Clinton’s indiscretion was as important as a REVEREND molesting boys my argument was moot. Every time I tried to defend my stance we would get off track and no matter how I tried to make my point they would find a way to make it moot on one of two facts. I was blindly following the liberals or I held the wrong people to too high of expectations. Sheepeople, if you excuse the term, weren’t supposed to think for themselves and ignorance and the media were to blame is all. However, free higher education and universal healthcare were too liberal but government controlled media were okay? I’m confused. Big government is the problem or it’s not. Nate and Thomas do get more invested in these conversations because they grew up very conservatively. The identify with that, Nate I get, Thomas I don’t so much. From what I’ve heard it took a while for Thomas to “Come out” because of the conservative community, but I could be wrong and I never really felt close enough to ask him.

I will say that that we did agree in some areas. Spending is the issue, Social Reform is needed not cuts. Healthcare is a mess and running for political office needs to be publicly funded with caps and the government needs to be completely transparent so media such as Fox “news” cannot manipulate whats happening. Also, the people no longer have a real voice in government and our officials are no longer working for us, but for corporations. I am frustrated because I feel like I care more about gay civil rights than Caleb and Thomas and civil rights as a whole over any religious ideal obviously and somehow I always feel slightly condemned and I hate feeling that way. That I’m the one that needs to learn a lesson. I’m the crazy one. I’m the one who needs more education. I am sick of it. I love Caleb and Thomas, but there are times when I feel like I’m not respected since I “came out” as an atheist. I will always have something to prove, maybe I had hoped that as gay men they would be a little more understanding as a minority. I try to live and act like this strong put together person. If that were true I wouldn’t be anonymous I wouldn’t have the raging insecurities when I’m told I’m just ignorant and need more education of the facts. One of these days I will post some excerpts from conversations with my uncle on facebook. I know it’s in-part good fun for him but it’s in-part serious.

Most of all I feel incredible silly for wanting to cry because my friends not only disagreed with me but were dismissive and tried to point out where I was wrong and that I was too biased to have an opinion about certain subjects; ie religion and politics. I do try hard not to shame the people I love for believing what they do, but when I think I’m having a perfectly normal conversation and my mother says “You have to stop talking, I disagree with you so much this is pissing me off.” I come up short. We were talking about an abortion bill which we are completely against however discussing the Republican party’s need to legislate morals based on christianity in a supposedly secular government I’m so far into left I just need to shut up. I listen and agreed with a lot of Nate’s points. However I really don’t believe he was actually listening to my arguments, more just listening for loopholes in my points just to unravel them.

What am I even doing here? Is there anyone listening? Does my voice count? I feel so alone. I wish my soldier was here. He’s the only real ally and the best friend I’ve ever known and never doubted. I hate boot camp… How do people like me find out we are not alone in the blogginverse?

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Video for my niece:

The Thinking Atheist has so many great videos, I wish I had the balls to actually show this to my sister.

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End of the World as we Know it?

Dooms Day, apocalypse, judgment day, Armageddon and epic tribulations. Riiiiiiiight.

See you Sunday. Or at least all you fun and interesting people. (c;

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Working for conservative christians… it’s hard work.

You know the feeling? When someone says something so ridiculous that you want to laugh out loud but you can only do one of two things; node or ignore it?  Well, that was today my friends.

It’s pretty sad when your co-workers are surprised when there is still electricity and internet.  Apparently Obama is soooo muslim he wants to turn America into a muslim nation.  Please.  If that were true he would have welcomed al-Qaida in with open arms and bin Laden wouldn’t be being eaten by sea life right now.  True the people that buy the product we sell are betting on the end of civilization as we know it, and I’m actually amused by the people who call in and order because they are so happy to order from a ‘good christian’ company.  This amuses me on a level but for the most part it completely pisses me off.

First. We make a damn good product. It’s 100% US made, and it”s as durable as hell.  Second, it’s a small family business that employs good hard working people. The people that run it are some of the nicestest people that I have ever worked for, however they do let religion get in the way of pretty much everything. So do the customers. The people from the church groups think they should give them special discounts simply because they are from a church and especially if they are from my employer’s church. They’re tax exempt why not get a discount by guilting good ‘god fearing christians’ into thinking thats what ‘god’ would want them to do.  That’s bad for business.  (keep in mind they give generously to their own church and community)

The other day I got a call. “I’m so glad your product is US made by a small family business, but MOST importantly it’s a CHRISTIAN business!”  Why would it be the most important thing? Christian business’s have never ripped anyone off? Hardly.

An atheist works there, I’m sure a jew works there and a few other ‘lost souls’. That doesn’t diminish the quality and pride in the product does it? Hell no. I just had to get that out.

Also, I’m pretty proud of myself when they start in on the Obama conspiracy theories about he’s converting congress to communism… that he’s tapping everyone’s phones and trying to take away everyone’s guns.  I am just so freaking proud of myself that I don’t just laugh out right and call them idiots.  I do like these people, and I love working there for the most part, but there are days like today that make me wonder what it would be like to just be a freaking housewife and leave the workplace to someone who doesn’t have strong political and atheist views… then I remember… I hate cleaning house, so it’s off to work for me.  So much for being a Martha Stewart type.   )c:

PS: This was written quickly, and in great haste, please excuse the meandering about the topic.

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My struggle with Atheism

Atheism isn’t a religion, no matter what conservative evangelical Christians think, but some atheists are religious — all that’s necessary is for them to belong to an atheistic religion. The most common of these may be Buddhism. Not all forms of Buddhism are atheistic, but some are and atheist Buddhists point out that the Buddha never regarded gods or belief in gods to be important, but I digress.

My struggle with atheism is more the struggle with my family.  I know that my family is full of believers.  They look at my atheism as something shady.  A phase that will pass and a symptom of rabid liberalism that cannot be sustained by a normal intelligent (ie sane) person.  That hurts.  I respect my family, more so, I love my family and I would like them to love and respect me.  I know that they don’t, especially now that I’m being more and more honest about my social, political and religious views.  I see that they think I’m going crazy, or maybe that’s just my fear when I see the way they look at me while I’m talking.

To be perfectly fair I have had a large amount of ills in the past that would make them worry.  I have suffered from severe depression and anxiety which either contributed or exacerbated my eating disorder.  I am a bulimic that according to my last therapist has “graduated” to a simple purger.  Whether that is progress has yet to be seen.  I am currently taking medication to reduce my anxiety and I am continually trying to remind myself that I shouldn’t ration or horde my pills.  Since I am uninsured that is an anxiety that has not been abated.  I know they have cause to worry about my sanity.  I worry about my sanity.  In a family where bi-polar disorder runs thick in the blood I do feel lucky that I don’t have to suffer from the raging mood swings and uncertainty of effective drugs.  I know how hard it was for me to muddle through the first 20yrs of my life I can’t imagine adding mood swings that would scare me more deeply than my panic attacks.

I know that a huge part of my anxiety has a lot to do with insecurities and inadequacies that were instilled in me as a young child.  One part being a woman (natures effect on the psyche) the other part was definitely being fed the original sin bullshit and the last 5 – 15%? well I have to say that part is a lot of genetics.  The genetics thing is something I’m working with and will continue to battle.  I hope that my mother will one day see my use of anti-anxiety medication as a method to help me heal instead of a reflection of poor parenting.  I hope that one day they will see my atheism as an actual valid point of view instead of a passing phase to help me “feel normal” which is ridiculous.

I cannot change how I feel about religion anymore than I can change how they feel about it, but I can still respect them.  I am not trying to convert them nor do I try to rationalize them into submission to my point of view. Do I think they are wrong? Yes.  I would be honest if they asked me point blank but I would never say it out right as they do or roll my eyes when they say my name in that completely exasperated tone.

I realize that my family doesn’t count me as an equal and I have accepted it but it will always sting.  My struggle with my atheism is that it is seen as a handicap by those I love and I hate being mad at them for it.  I hate that I feel superior to family that rolls their eyes and me and makes me feel like an infant in the exact same space they make me feel pity for them.  I know that I must live and let live and I can’t control my family and I need to take care of myself, but as a social creature that loves my family I yearn for their acceptance.  I am lucky that I found a significant other that does accept me for who I am and thinks I’m smart and amazing and best of all stable.  With all my problems this person says “You are stronger than you realize.”

I guess it’s time I start believing.

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