Very Sad video from the Young Turks again.
I have people laugh at me when I say there isn’t a war on women in the USA. In my area it’s really hard to have rational conversations with people because their heads explode at the mere HINT of anything that contradicts their little bubbles of belief and ‘convictions’ about the way they think the world should be run.
Wow. I just don’t try to fight it anymore. I shake my head and smile. In this day and age you have to work very hard to be ignorant and they are working it hard my friends. Working it hard…
So I went to visit a couple of friends today in their business. I was reduced to three things within this discussion. 1. I am irrevocably biased by my atheism. 2. My “leadership quality” of expecting people to question authority is expecting too much. 3. Because I am a Progressive I am more prone to “media religion/politics truthing” Meaning I believe whatever the “Liberal Secular” media tells me. Which insults my intelligence and completely contradicts the idea that I have any leadership qualities. Lets call my friends Thomas, Caleb and Nate.
That was hard to take, Caleb and Thomas are fairly close friends of mine. Caleb is nearly family and I hold his opinion in a really high regard. He’s the big brother and friend I’ve always wanted and I wish we were closer. Nate is relatively new friend who seems to me is a nice guy, however he does hold thinly veiled amused contempt for my atheism and always makes a joke or a comment at the expense of said atheism. He is catholic, and he feels that he is more evolved than the other christians secs. Simply, catholics are the first and true christians. His words not mine.
This is a huge reason why I refuse to come out publicly with my atheism at this point in my life. I cannot handle the constant need to put me down, which I do not make quips against religion simply because he is around. It’s usually brought up in a manner such as, “Well, you wouldn’t agree with this because it is a church thing and you’re an atheist.” Haha and now the joke or whatever comes next is always on me and they do expect me to defend myself and my point of view merely because it is in opposition to theirs. Although I dearly love Caleb and Thomas, who are a couple, they have never noticed or even defended the fact when the discussion turns serious I’m the only “Liberal” Atheist in the room and therefore it’s okay to bombard me with reason after reason why I’m wrong or questions where I have to defend my beliefs and my questions on their are always vaguely answered (save Caleb who is extremely articulate about such things)
Now as I was constantly on the defensive I can’t give you a lot of specifics on the conversation. When I gave an example yes it was a conservative example. They compared Bill Clinton and Monica to Reverend Long molesting boys and since I didn’t think Clinton’s indiscretion was as important as a REVEREND molesting boys my argument was moot. Every time I tried to defend my stance we would get off track and no matter how I tried to make my point they would find a way to make it moot on one of two facts. I was blindly following the liberals or I held the wrong people to too high of expectations. Sheepeople, if you excuse the term, weren’t supposed to think for themselves and ignorance and the media were to blame is all. However, free higher education and universal healthcare were too liberal but government controlled media were okay? I’m confused. Big government is the problem or it’s not. Nate and Thomas do get more invested in these conversations because they grew up very conservatively. The identify with that, Nate I get, Thomas I don’t so much. From what I’ve heard it took a while for Thomas to “Come out” because of the conservative community, but I could be wrong and I never really felt close enough to ask him.
I will say that that we did agree in some areas. Spending is the issue, Social Reform is needed not cuts. Healthcare is a mess and running for political office needs to be publicly funded with caps and the government needs to be completely transparent so media such as Fox “news” cannot manipulate whats happening. Also, the people no longer have a real voice in government and our officials are no longer working for us, but for corporations. I am frustrated because I feel like I care more about gay civil rights than Caleb and Thomas and civil rights as a whole over any religious ideal obviously and somehow I always feel slightly condemned and I hate feeling that way. That I’m the one that needs to learn a lesson. I’m the crazy one. I’m the one who needs more education. I am sick of it. I love Caleb and Thomas, but there are times when I feel like I’m not respected since I “came out” as an atheist. I will always have something to prove, maybe I had hoped that as gay men they would be a little more understanding as a minority. I try to live and act like this strong put together person. If that were true I wouldn’t be anonymous I wouldn’t have the raging insecurities when I’m told I’m just ignorant and need more education of the facts. One of these days I will post some excerpts from conversations with my uncle on facebook. I know it’s in-part good fun for him but it’s in-part serious.
Most of all I feel incredible silly for wanting to cry because my friends not only disagreed with me but were dismissive and tried to point out where I was wrong and that I was too biased to have an opinion about certain subjects; ie religion and politics. I do try hard not to shame the people I love for believing what they do, but when I think I’m having a perfectly normal conversation and my mother says “You have to stop talking, I disagree with you so much this is pissing me off.” I come up short. We were talking about an abortion bill which we are completely against however discussing the Republican party’s need to legislate morals based on christianity in a supposedly secular government I’m so far into left I just need to shut up. I listen and agreed with a lot of Nate’s points. However I really don’t believe he was actually listening to my arguments, more just listening for loopholes in my points just to unravel them.
What am I even doing here? Is there anyone listening? Does my voice count? I feel so alone. I wish my soldier was here. He’s the only real ally and the best friend I’ve ever known and never doubted. I hate boot camp… How do people like me find out we are not alone in the blogginverse?
When I heard this story, my first reaction was: “Wow, that was really cleaver. Not bad and it’s always and option. ” Wait, what?? I was really taken aback when I actually processed what had just come out of my mouth. What does that say about me? I’m not lazy. I’m working 3 jobs. (Four if you count my freelancing on the side.) This is where I first learned of this story, Cenk on MSNBC. If I think going to prison for health care is reasonable, since joining the armed forces for me is physically impossible… does that make me desperate? What exactly does that say about me?
Now after I saw this I started looking around for reactions. This one ends on a weird note but pay attention to his telling of the story first. I will copy and paste some of the reactions and comments below.
#I think prisoners should get healthcare. This story (I’m pretty sure this has happened before) just highlights the perverse situation in America regarding healthcare, and the lengths people have to go to in order to get treatment. The solution is universal healthcare for every citizen in America. Tax dollars well spent.
GeneralSticky1990 2 days ago
#@GeneralSticky1990 I absolutely agree! After all, not every prisoner deserves to be in prison. There’s a huge gray area here, and I mos def am all for the humane treatment of prisoners. I’m just not super thrilled about paying for dudes who decide to be there. Y’know?
1Mackinley 2 days ago
#NO! This is an example of a profit-driven healthcare system that allows people to suffer and die because they are poor! Absolutely the most selfish, smug, morally reprehensible comment I have ever heard. Not that you care, but you just lost a sub.
sonvolt48 2 days ago
#@sonvolt48 Yikes. Look, PRISON healthcare is not UNIVERSAL healthcare (which I am all for). Relax, dude.
1Mackinley 2 days ago
#@1Mackinley Then why did you make the moral of your story the “waste” of your tax dollars. The moral is that in this country people are so desperate for health care that they have to resort to measures as desperate as this poor man? Having said that, re-subbed for your support of universal care for all. Sorry for the earlier rant, but just had a bee in my bonnet all morning after initially reading this story.
sonvolt48 2 days ago
#@sonvolt48 Sorry to rile you up! Admittedly, the end was a bit vague. It’s not a big deal–I’m all about ethical treatment of prisoners, and good healthcare options–I’m just not nuts about the idea of paying for some guy who DECIDED to go to prison for the “benefits”. Y’know?
1Mackinley 2 days ago
#@1Mackinley Disagree buddy. Had I been in his shoes, I would have done the exact same thing. I feel that no one should ever have the decision of life or death. This is a perfect example of what America has become: Greed. No one gives a fuck about you and your health unless you have the money to pay for it. And no one wants to imagine what it’s like to be in their shoes because of everyone’s selfishness.
vunley 1 day ago
#@1Mackinley Gotta disagree with you a bit here. He felt like he didn’t have any other options (which he didn’t given the state of healthcare right now, honestly). Desperation leads to things like this. It wouldn’t shock me if this doesn’t start happening more, if it isn’t already.
CMatt420 1 day ago
#@1Mackinley Yeah, but you know why he decided to be there? He had no other fucking choice. Its death or jail. He couldn’t get health care from anywhere else and had worked hard all his life. Now he had no job and was not able to work or find a job because of his ailments and so had no health care. So you complaining about your “hard earned tax money” in this case just makes you sound like a selfish bitch.
Hamhark98 1 day ago
#Did you even read up on the story before judging???? The man had TRIED numerous times to get is own health care, this was a desperate decision. I myself, am very blessed to have health care but I know people who are not so fortunate. I understand you are a “blogger” and want the controversy for the views but posts like this just make you look desperate and unintelligent.
bre12345ify 2 days ago
Now the discussions on YouTube didn’t end there. I fount a new show called MidweekPolitics and I think I am going to subscribe to them. These guys have a complete and intelligent conversation.
Now of course there are videos about how this guy doesn’t deserve free healthcare. This is sad if we have reduced health to a reward only for the rich and deserving. This should make all Americans mad as hell. Not because this guy figured out how to work the system, but because this the only way he had to make the system work for him.
$–Maybe I’m wrong or maybe I’m in the wrong tex bracket.–$
Can we hear the applause??
This is a good thing. Managed medicare plans bring in private companies with profit motive to send people to only the CHEAPEST care providers and will not pay for specialist if their specific doctor has not written a “prescription” for said specialist. I can’t tell you right now that the insurance/managed care company’s preferred doctor will keep you in their office as long as possible to make sure that THEY get paid and that they don’t lose the business and trust of the “manager” company. Think ‘HMO’s” and remember how well that works for real people.
Anyone notice some key words in there? i.e. COMPANY and PREFERRED DOCTOR. Anyone who cares about quality health care and right to privacy and individual care should pay attention to this issue.
As you know if you’ve ever been hurt at work and actually go to the specified workman’s comp doctor you get a quick fix treatment and suddenly you are at “maximum recovery” meaning that you are as good as you’re going to get and we can refuse to pay for anything else because you’re never going to get better beyond this and NOW we can deny you care. It gets better when anyother insurance company takes you on they can refuse payment on said injured area because it’s a workman’s comp issue. the Bazinga is on YOU!
Manage Care Plans for Medicare are just like this. It saves the state a little bit of money, makes the insurance companies a killing and they do it forcing doctors to give substandard care for more money.
Profit motives NEVER work out for a poor, elderly or sick person. They get taken advantage of and EVERYONE ends up paying in the end.
I do have a dog in this fight, I approve public options and universal health care. Why? I have had foot surgery that added pins, two car accidents(Two careless drivers in 2.5 years they were not my fault), one work injury and one long clumsy ass childhood that has rendered me ineligible for the average insurance policy but I do qualify for the more “affordable” economy package with a HUGE deductible. At the tender age of 25 I have been told I am un-insurable. I have too many pre-existing conditions and a neck injury that is expected to only worsen over time. Now, if I chose the plan I qualified for I would not only have my entire paycheck taken but I would actually be paying an extra thirty or so dollars ON TOP of that. Now how the hell can I pay them MORE when they took my whole freakin paycheck? You guess is as good as mine because after student loans, utilities, car loan, rent and medical bills I have naught a nickle to my name.
Yes I have a biased, angry dog in the fight. I see how monthly my grandparents struggle to pay for basic medications for people with heart problems and cancer and how little benefit they actually receive. This is on top of Social Security. They refuse to ask for help, they won’t tell people how bad it is, but it is bad, and I can’t help. The tiny amount of solace I get from paying into social security is that maybe it’s going to them or someone like them.
Then I remember, the government uses those taxes to help the welfare for the wealthiest Americans and companies in the world. That it’s used so everything BUT social security but sadly I seriously doubt it even goes to education. Why? Everytime I turn around republicans cut education and other “socialist welfare programs” that *gasp* give poor a chance to catch up to wealthy kids.
We need to pay attention when the State wants to put people last and profit margins first. The more they seek to privatize health care the angrier you should be. Stand up and DO something about it.
It’s high time Montanans put THE PEOPLE first and not the profit mongering right.
They do not speak for you, they only care about one thing: Lining their own pockets and zombie economic systems that only benefit the wealthiest of the population. Don’t fall for the hype, fear and fake patriotism.